All posts tagged Mark Driscoll

Driscoll on Trinity

“All of life for the Christian is Trinitarian – this doctrine is so amazingly practical!”

It’s not as good as Mike Reeves on the Trinity but worth a listen! This sermon on Trinity is the first of a 13-week series on Doctrine, that takes us up till then end of June, then Driscoll comes to Brighton!

More Driscoll Bashing

It’s not often that I get annoyed when reading the EN newspaper (Evangelicals Now), because on the whole it’s pretty good, you know it’s sound, and usually very interesting… unlike the Church of England Newspaper, that gets me annoyed some times. But I got a bit annoyed when reading the most recent edition (April 2008), specifically Josh Moody’s ‘Letter from America’.

This piece is yet another “We like Mark Driscoll’s theology, but we don’t like his style” piece, of which you’ll find plenty across the web. It’s not that I have a problem with people who disagree with MD, it’s just that I find it sad that people insist on criticising a faithful gospel ministry, and for what gain? On top of that, this particular piece is about 2 years behind the times, essentially it is poorly researched.

The Internet Monk has some detailed thoughts about why people don’t like Mark Driscoll, worth reading if you’re a critic. For my part I’ve responded to the editor of EN to perhaps give a different perspective, doubt it will get published, but I have a blog, so here is my response published here…

Dear Sir,

Can I graciously suggest that Josh Moody is out of date, and perhaps out of touch when he writes about Mark Driscoll in the April edition of EN. Driscoll was given the dubious title of ‘The Cussing Pastor’ by Donald Miller in his book ‘Blue Like Jazz’, this was published 5 years ago. I’ve yet to hear Driscoll swear in a sermon, though his language in the past has certainly been more risqué, it is not what we would call swearing – ‘B.S.’ is of course just two letters! Since then Driscoll has I guess become more ‘mature’, he has publicly repented of many failures in his ministry, most recently when teaching on Humility (4th November 2007). As for the call for mentors, Driscoll counts John Piper and CJ Mahaney as his closest ministry mentors (2nd March 2008), not to mention the likes of Bruce Ware, Tim Keller and Wayne Grudem – of course Piper did once say ‘crap’ in a sermon! Moody here seems to be telling us about the Driscoll of several years ago.

There is much that could be said in response to Moody’s criticisms of Driscoll’s missiology of being ‘theologically conservative and culturally liberal’, but it would be unwise to debate the rights and wrongs of different forms of entertainment. The point here is that the proclamation of the gospel needs to be related to the context in to which it is preached. Paul, preaching to the Areopagus in Acts 17 gives a classic example of this gospel-contextualisation, this passage is key to Driscoll’s methodology and the name of his church (Mars Hill) is derived from it. Driscoll is preaching to young, liberal, post-modern, pagan Seattle-ites, people who listen to secular rock music, who watch R-rated films, who gamble, who drink, who get their teaching about sex from porn rather than the Bible – it is in to this culture that Driscoll preaches. While some call for a retreat from this kind of sinful culture, Driscoll and others are calling Christians, to engage with, to be a part of, and to understand the culture so that we can be missionaries within it. Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., writing in a recent book (Preaching the Cross) put it like this, “We cannot simply withdraw. That would be to deny our commission. But we cannot feel at home either. That would be to deny our identity.” Driscoll is equally clear in his teaching that Christians need to be distinctive and above reproach in all matters, his view is that Christians should “go as far into the culture without sinning as they possibly can”, in order to share Christ. I would challenge EN readers to consider reading Driscoll’s first book entitled ‘Radical Reformission’ and make an informed opinion, about Driscoll, and about how we can best preach Christ in our culture.

Yours Sincerely,

Hugh Bourne

Chandler on Luke

Since September 2007, Matt Chandler from The Village Church, in Dallas, Texas, has been preaching through Luke’s Gospel, he’s up to around chapter 6. It’s really good stuff, a nice length to listen to and very challenging. Add it to your podcast feed!

Chandler is mates with Driscoll and doing a similar kind of Reformed Missional church, like Mars Hill. But, in a different place, so it’s interesting listening to a similar style/methodology/missiology, but preaching into a different context/culture. Driscoll is dealing with postmodern, liberal, pagan, Seattle-ites. Chandler on the other hand is largely dealing with Fundamentalist Bible-belters and Osteen-Prosperity types, so has lots to say to those who are religious or brought up in Christian tradition.

Starting to think about how to best do this kind of Reformission in the UK… thoughts to follow over the next few months…

Interview with Mark Driscoll

Terry Virgo (well his son, Joel) is currently interviewing Mark Driscoll in the run up to his visit to the Brighton Conference in July, there’s a few parts coming slowly.

Also, I put the wrong link down for the Text and Context talks… click the image below. Still waiting for the Q&A sessions.

Text and Context Video

Mark Driscoll is a Jackass

Abraham Piper’s blog has this classic bit of audio on from Matt Chandler where he calls Driscoll a jackass and a jerk… in love.

I discovered Chandler a while back through recommendation by Driscoll, he leads a church in Texas called Village Church, I’ve been listening to him the last couple of days on ‘Being a Man’ and ‘Being Salt and Light’, two 3-part sermon series. I’d highly recommend.

Driscoll on preparing to preach

Next week is the Resurgence conference, Text and Context – Driscoll, Piper, Mahaney etc. hopefully there’ll be some audio to discuss then… but for now here’s MD on preparing to preach…

What does the scripture say?

What does the scripture mean?

How or why do we resist the word?

How does it apply to our mission – personal and corporate application?

Critiquing Driscoll

A lot of people don’t like Mark Driscoll – shock horror! But most of the flack doesn’t come from non-Christians, emergents or liberals, but rather from reformed evangelicals (of which he is one). Basically, many people don’t like his use of language, he doesn’t swear but does use words and phrases that if we’re all honest we may not use in front of our mothers.

Some would take the line that his use of risque language should disqualify him from ministry, on the basis of verses like Ephesians 5:4“Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

I think there’s always a balance, when you preach the gospel you should be relevant and contextualise to best communicate the truths of the gospel to the audience. For Driscoll in his demographic, his cool, informal, slang style is entirely appropriate. There is certainly a danger he can go too far, and I’m sure he has.

Tim Challies is never overly enthusiastic about Mark Driscoll, but he has written a fair and well-balanced critique in the midst of many unhelpful and self-righteous comments from others. TC seems quite discerning… might have to read his book “The Discipline of Spirtual Discernment

Boy Meets Girl

Boy Meets GirlMuch has been written over the years about this book and the others in the Joshua Harris series… I myself was annoyed when JH wrote yet another book about dating, called ‘Stop Dating the Church’ – I later found out this wasn’t actually about dating! Anyway, I read this a couple of months ago…

A lot that has been spoken and written about this book and his other one (I kissed dating goodbye) has been a bit negative I think, particularly in the UK. I think that’s because we come with a basic misunderstanding about the book, that is we think “this is Josh Harris telling us how to do relationships the right way”, and also I guess people will have been told by their churches or families “read this book, this is the right way to do relationships”. I think we come with the wrong view, JH makes it clear that the book is advice based on personal experience, not a one-size-fits-all or legalistic approach… and if we’re not convinced then he makes the point again on his blog.

There is an issue I have with the book however, courtship as he describes doesn’t work here, or isn’t easy, unless you want to marry the girl next door – how are you supposed to ask someone’s parents permission before you know if they’re interested? Anyway, I think the courting model does work in home-school, Christian-right, parts of the USA… but probably not here.

What I do like however is the stories, after all it is a personal book, JH shares his story of how he got together with his wife as well as other stories about friends… I guess at heart I’m a bit of a romantic, I love the story of the little drummer boy in Love Actually for one, and the stories in this book, there’s one about ‘Rich and Christy’ which makes me get a little bit emotional, for about 10 seconds before my manliness kicks in again! Some of JH’s personal stories seem a bit over the top, a bit legalistic, but you can see that he’s all about doing the right thing, honouring God, respecting his sisters in Christ and not entertaining even a hint of immorality.

Personally I prefer a model of Christian dating, or ‘Dourting’, which is a bit more realistic to a more ‘normal’ situation – which Mark Driscoll has explained in his latest sermon along with some good humour (see Christian dating bubble), you can see that sermon here.

I still have a bit more to read, but I think the last bit is more aimed at engaged couples. Another book on a similar vein that I’m going to read is ‘Married for God‘, by Christopher Ash, it’s being plugged at church at the moment for £7.99 – fortunately I got a free copy at EMA!

Religion Saves?

Religion Saves?Remember the ‘Ask Anything‘ where you could vote on loads of different questions, of which the top 9 questions would be the basis of a sermon series preached by Mark Driscoll at Mars Hill. So, that has now become a preaching series entitled ‘Religion Saves and Nine other Misconceptions‘. I like the title, because it’s really easy even for Christians who’ve grasped justification by faith to slip back into religious thinking… anyway, here are the nine sermons coming:

9. What about Birth Control?

8. Why does Mark Driscoll make jokes about Mormons and homosexuals?

7. Election and non-Election – Romans 9?

6. What’s the hardest thing that you teach?

5. How can Christians break out of sexual sin?

4. Salvation? Faith? Works?

3. How can Christians date righteously?

2. Emerging Churches?

1. The Regulative Principle?

Mars Hill have also launched a series of x-rated videos (MH-17) well more like PGs where you should be older than 17 to watch because it’s a series of questions about oral sex and other things like that which would make a school boy blush, followed by off the cuff and very frank answers.

Driscoll is also getting well into Facebook it seems, using his page as a little resource centre for videos, mp3s, blog feeds etc. Also he’s gonna be adding his preaching schedule on there soon, so Driscoll geeks like me can follow him round… sadly he hasn’t yet got back to me on my offer of coffee together when he comes to Brighton.

A bit of TK

I do like a bit of TK (Tim Keller), as does Povey, who is officially a TK-geek. As it happens, Mark Driscoll is also a TK-geek, stating in one of his sermons that he rips most of his material from TK – in other news Driscoll joined Facebook last week, over 1000 friends already, most of whom, like me have never met him.

Keller - Reason for GodAnyway, I thoroughly enjoyed TK at EMA and listen to a bit of his stuff every now and then. Although the one thing that does annoy me is that most of his sermons cost money, not cheap either! But one free one, a good one is available at BeThinking on the subject of exclusivity and other religions and worldviews, he’s great at analysing and deconstructing worldviews.

Newbigin - Gospel in a Pluralist SocietyExciting news for TK fans, he’s written a book! The book is titled ‘The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Scepticism’ , and I’m guessing picks up some of the same of the same themes as the BeThinking talk. You can read a bit more about it on the Redeemer website, he has a little page called Yes, I wrote a book. It’s released on the 14th February and will cost £12 on Amazon, although the cover looks pretty bad, looks like it’s been published by Banner!

Another book that caught my attention recently was Lesslie Newbign’s ‘The Gospel in a Pluralist Society’, after it was recommended by both Driscoll and Keller, who I would regard as being two of the key thinkers on what you might call Reformission, so I think I shall try and get myself a copy some time.