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		<title>Coming up&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2009/04/07/coming-up/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I&#8217;m back from NWA! I&#8217;m not sure it was quite the holiday I needed &#8211; didn&#8217;t get much sleep, and the 8 hour journey doesn&#8217;t help, but at least it was sunny. Anway&#8230; I suspect I shall produce some concluding thoughts in the near future post Word Alive. Also, I&#8217;ve started looking into the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m back from NWA! I&#8217;m not sure it was quite the holiday I needed &#8211; didn&#8217;t get much sleep, and the 8 hour journey doesn&#8217;t help, but at least it was sunny. Anway&#8230; I suspect I shall produce some concluding thoughts in the near future post Word Alive.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve started looking into the process of Ordination in the Church of England, so before anything official happens I need to do some reading on Christian leadership, on Anglicanism and on some issues, particularly on Infant Baptism&#8230; so it seems my blog would be a good place to record stuff that I learn from this.</p>
<p>At the end of the month, we&#8217;ll be gearing up for <a href="http://www.biblebythebeach.org" target="_blank">Bible by the Beach</a> &#8211; I&#8217;ll be blogging all about what goes on and probably posting some videos about what&#8217;s happening.</p>
<p>So&#8230; you don&#8217;t really care about this, but I figure if I write down the stuff which I propose to blog about then I might actually get off my bum and do it.</p>
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		<title>Discipleship Explored DVD</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/10/18/discipleship-explored-dvd/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So last night I went to All Souls, Langham Place in London for the launch event for the Discipleship Explored course DVD&#8230; on the train up I happened to bump in to the chaplain at my Uni (well I&#8217;ve graduated now), Hi Gavin, if you happen to be reading! We chatted for the whole hour [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right;" title="Discipleship Explored" src="http://www.christianityexplored.org/images/dx_logo.gif" alt="" width="185" height="120" />So last night I went to All Souls, Langham Place in London for the launch event for the <a href="http://www.christianityexplored.org/de/" target="_blank">Discipleship Explored </a>course DVD&#8230; on the train up I happened to bump in to the chaplain at my Uni (well I&#8217;ve graduated now), Hi Gavin, if you happen to be reading! We chatted for the whole hour of the train journey about whether you can be an Anglican but not Protestant&#8230; so I got a history lesson of the Reformation, and we had some good debates about the inerrancy of Scripture and sacramental theology&#8230; he&#8217;s a clever man but he did says that &#8216;legally&#8217; I won the debate with my trump card &#8211; <a href="http://www.bhmc.org.uk/about-us/39-articles" target="_blank">The 39 Articles</a>! Anyway, that&#8217;s an aside&#8230; but another aside I had the pleasure of meeting a couple of people I&#8217;d only known virtually; fellow blogger <a href="http://blogofdan.co.uk/" target="_blank">Dan Green</a> and Emily from GBC &#8211; Hi Emily!</p>
<p>So why was I here?? Well I&#8217;m sure most people reading have heard of Christianity Explored&#8230; I&#8217;m sure that most, but probably a few less have heard of it&#8217;s follow up course, Discipleship Explored which has been around for a few years. The great thing about the DVD is that it makes it much easier to run a course!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a trailer for the DVD, giving you a flavour&#8230;</p>
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<p>The DVD takes you through the book of Philippians in 8 sessions    . Each session is about 10 minutes long; the passage is read by a guy with a cool Scottish accent, then a key verse is picked out. The key verse along with the rest of the passage is explained, common questions about the Christian life are answered, the presenter Barry Cooper does a great job of clearly explaining stuff and getting us to the point. These sessions aren&#8217;t really a substitute for a talk or Bible study but they&#8217;re a great launching block into the passage, and a great way to start a group and get people thinking.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another little video. Rico Tice interviewing Barry Cooper about the Discipleship Explored DVD&#8230; great question and answer is the one to the first question &#8220;Why Philippians?&#8221;&#8230; sorry about the angle of filming, couldn&#8217;t be bothered to move:</p>
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<p>Coming soon&#8230; a couple of short video interviews, one with Barry Cooper, and one with Rico Tice.</p>
<p>For more information and to order resources visit the Good Book Company&#8230; the <a href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/Discipleship-Explored-DVD-dxpd_90/" target="_blank">Discipleship Explored DVD</a> is available for just £30.</p>
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		<title>Interview with Tim Chilvers</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/08/27/interview-with-tim-chilvers/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim Chilvers is associate minister at Christ Church Surbiton. Like me, he&#8217;s from an Anglican church, like me, he went to the Brighton New Frontiers conference, and like me he&#8217;s just been interviewed about his experiences of the conference by David Capener. Good interview. Sounds like we both had a similar overwhelmingly positive experience there [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignnone" style="float: right;" title="Tim Chilvers" src="http://thebroadcast.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/nextgen-gallery/nggshow.php?pid=22&amp;width=150&amp;height=120&amp;mode=" alt="" width="150" height="112" />Tim Chilvers is associate minister at <a href="http://www.ccsurbiton.org" target="_blank">Christ Church Surbiton</a>. Like me, he&#8217;s from an Anglican church, like me, he went to the Brighton New Frontiers conference, and like me he&#8217;s just been <a href="http://thebroadcast.org.uk/2008/08/27/the-goldfish-bowl-interview-two/" target="_blank">interviewed</a> about his experiences of the conference by David Capener.</p>
<p>Good interview. Sounds like we both had a similar overwhelmingly positive experience there (with a few little niggles).</p>
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		<title>Packer on Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/06/28/packer-on-williams/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it seems my post reporting on Jim Packer&#8217;s comments while speaking at Holy Trinity Eastbourne have caused a little bit of a stir in the virtual and real-life press. Few people were interested with Packer&#8217;s insightful analysis of Liberalism, or his thoughts on the future of the Anglican church, but on one sentence &#8211; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it seems my post reporting on Jim Packer&#8217;s comments while speaking at Holy Trinity Eastbourne have caused a little bit of a stir in the virtual and real-life press. Few people were interested with Packer&#8217;s insightful analysis of Liberalism, or his thoughts on the future of the Anglican church, but on one sentence &#8211; <em><strong>&#8220;I would say with great respect Archbishop, I believe that the way of wisdom is for you to resign.&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p>The story has been mentioned by <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2200633/Gafcon-Orthodox-Anglicans-feel-betrayed-by-church-structure.html" target="_blank">Martin Beckford in the Telegraph</a>, <a href="http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2008/06/theologian-call.html" target="_blank">Ruth Gledhill in The Times</a> and on the <a href="http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/blog_post.asp?id=58742" target="_blank">Church Times Blog</a>. It&#8217;s also been discussed on <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=559">Peter Kirk&#8217;s blog</a>. Now personally I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a huge story by any means, but it just goes to show how the media has changed, I can blog something which otherwise would go unheard outside its original audience, isn&#8217;t technology good?!</p>
<p>You can listen to <a href="http://www.holytrinityeastbourne.org.uk/sermons/20080624talk.mp3" target="_blank">Dr. Packer&#8217;s talk</a> yourself, and the <a href="http://www.holytrinityeastbourne.org.uk/sermons/20080624Qs.mp3" target="_blank">question time</a>.</p>
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		<title>Wallace Benn on GAFCON and Lambeth</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/06/26/wallace-benn-on-gafcon-and-lambeth/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How he&#8217;s been enjoying GAFCON and why he won&#8217;t be going to Lambeth&#8230; Video on SydneyAnglicans There&#8217;s loads of other videos there, little snippets from the conference including Vaughan Roberts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright alignnone size-full wp-image-260" style="float: right;" title="Wallace Benn" src="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/wallacebenn.jpg" alt="Wallace Benn" width="120" height="153" />How he&#8217;s been enjoying GAFCON and why he won&#8217;t be going to Lambeth&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1321273398/bclid1318915958/bctid1630381595" target="_blank">Video on SydneyAnglicans</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s loads of other videos there, little snippets from the conference including Vaughan Roberts.</p>
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		<title>Packer in Eastbourne</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/06/25/packer-in-eastbourne/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I went to Holy Trinity Eastbourne to listen to Dr. J.I. Packer speak, the title of his talk was &#8216;Lessons to be learned from the Canadian Church Experience&#8217;. This comes in response to the rumblings in the Anglican church and the personal experiences of Jim Packer and other Canadian ministers in dealing with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright alignnone size-full wp-image-247" style="float: right;" title="Jim Packer" src="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/packer.jpg" alt="Jim Packer" width="162" height="212" />Last night I went to Holy Trinity Eastbourne to listen to Dr. J.I. Packer speak, the title of his talk was <em>&#8216;Lessons to be learned from the Canadian Church Experience&#8217;. </em>This comes in response to the rumblings in the Anglican church and the personal experiences of Jim Packer and other Canadian ministers in dealing with their liberal Bishop, Michael Ingham. 3 months ago I blogged about these issues, <a href="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/03/11/stand-with-packer/">Packers De-licensing</a> and his <a href="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/04/23/packer-not-guilty/">response to Ingham</a>.</p>
<p>With that background in mind Packer set out to define 4 terms involved in the current debates:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Orthodoxy </strong>- Packer sees this as a synonym for Evangelicalism which focuses on the teaching of the Bible (because it acknowledges the authority of the Bible) and on the message of the Gospel (being based on Faith and Repentance).</li>
<li><strong>Anglicanism </strong>- He highlighted two different views, those who saw Anglicanism as being bound up with historical <em>practises </em>(defined by traditions) and those who saw it as being defined by <em>principles</em>, as contained in the Creeds, Prayer Book, 39 Articles etc. Packer made it clear he stood in the 2nd camp &#8211; Anglicanism is based on principles. He also stated that he believed Anglicanism is <em>&#8220;the richest version of Evangelicalism that the world has seen&#8221;</em>.</li>
<li><strong>Liberalism </strong>- Dr. Packer used 4 S&#8217;s to define liberalism&#8230;
<ul>
<li>Subordinates Scripture to the culture and individualistic Christian experience</li>
<li>Sanctifies the Secular</li>
<li>Scales down the Supernatural</li>
<li>Sweeps away Biblical Standards</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Homosexuality </strong>- He basically made it clear that he was talking about the practise and not the temptation. Packer gave examples of temptations and how we should not yield to them and included homosexual temptations in this &#8211; we should not yield to the temptations because the actions are defined as sin by the Bible.</li>
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<p>Dr. Packer went on to give the basic facts about his situation in the Canadian church, the history, how it happened and how things stand now. He highlighted the changing situation, that Bishops are no longer just theoretical heretics but are heretics in what the practise. He referred to <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Acts+27%3A27" title="English Standard Version Bible">Acts 27:27</a>, Paul in the storm and used this as a metaphor to speak of being faithful through the storm in the hope of reaching land.</p>
<p>Big Jim then addressed 4 questions in conclusion&#8230;</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>What is God doing to the Anglican Communion? </strong>
<ul>
<li>Purging of liberalism</li>
<li>Preparing faithful Anglicans for counter-cultural and enterprising mission</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>What is the pattern of &#8216;alternative oversight&#8217; doing to the Anglican Communion? </strong>
<ul>
<li>Drawing together a fellowship of the Orthodox</li>
<li>Parallel jurisdictions are disrupting the traditional diocese/province model</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>What are those who have &#8216;realigned&#8217; to do now? </strong>
<ul>
<li>Pioneer faithful Christian outreach</li>
<li>Renewal of teaching, mission and discipleship</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>How should English Evangelicals react? </strong>
<ul>
<li>Watch and Pray</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
<p>The question-time that followed came up with the usual questions from slightly &#8216;un-balanced&#8217; folk, and a few good ones &#8211; <em>&#8220;Dr. Packer, if you could have 5 minutes with the Archbishop of Cantebury, what would you say?&#8221;</em>&#8230;</p>
<p>Packer stated that Rowan Williams&#8217; views about homosexuality (documented before becoming A of C, and not changed since) mean that he is not qualified to lead the Anglican Communion and enforce rules layed down at Lambeth in 1998. Big Jim was clear, <em>&#8220;Rowan Williams should resign&#8221;</em>!</p>
<p>It so happened that earlier in the day I&#8217;d done some computer training with the Holy Trinity office staff, so as payment I got 3 free Packer books &#8211; God has Spoken, 18 Words, and Growing in Christ&#8230; good times.</p>
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		<title>Live from GAFCON</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/06/22/live-from-gafcon/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The future of the Anglican church is uncertain, but it seems inevitable that in the coming months things will start to move&#8230; the Lambeth Conference happens next month, but happening right now is GAFCON &#8211; Global Anglican Future Conference! This is essentially an &#8216;alternative Lambeth&#8217;, for 300 orthodox Bishops from the Anglican Communion. Colin Slee [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">The future of the Anglican church is uncertain, but it seems inevitable that in the coming months things will start to move&#8230; the Lambeth Conference happens next month, but happening right now is <a href="http://www.gafcon.org" target="_blank">GAFCON</a> &#8211; Global Anglican Future Conference! This is essentially an &#8216;alternative Lambeth&#8217;, for 300 orthodox Bishops from the Anglican Communion.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Colin Slee (Liberal, gay-agenda-pushing, Very Revd.) described GAFCON on <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/sunday/s20080615e.ram" target="_blank">Radio 4</a> as a &#8220;a very small group&#8221; &#8211; Nigeria, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Southern Cone, Sydney, plus others &#8211; this represents at least half of the Anglicans worldwide.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Wallace Benn, Bishop of Lewes, and Michael Nazir-Ali, Bishop of Rochester are members of the GAFCON leadership team and are there in Jerusalem now. You can watch events unfolding at GAFCON as they are streamed live, see below&#8230;</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">In other news Wallace Benn has been very rude to me, he said in reference to my lovely girlfriend, and I quote &#8211; &#8220;It&#8217;s obvious that God must have given her to you&#8230; there&#8217;s no way you could have got her yourself!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Packer in the UK</title>
		<link>http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/06/17/packer-in-the-uk/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Later this month Jim Packer will be in the UK, speaking at various places on his experiences with the Church of Canada and the future of Global Anglicanism. If you&#8217;re down near Sussex then why not come along to Holy Trinity Eastbourne at 7.45pm on the 24th June. The title of his address is ‘Lessons [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright alignnone size-full wp-image-247" style="float: right;" title="Jim Packer" src="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/packer.jpg" alt="Jim Packer" width="162" height="212" />Later this month Jim Packer will be in the UK, speaking at various places on his experiences with the Church of Canada and the future of Global Anglicanism. If you&#8217;re down near Sussex then why not come along to <a href="http://www.holytrinityeastbourne.org.uk/" target="_blank">Holy Trinity Eastbourne</a> at 7.45pm on the 24th June. The title of his address is ‘Lessons to be learned from the Canadian Church Experience’.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in London, then he&#8217;ll be speaking on the 1st July at All Souls, you need to get in touch with <a href="http://www.allsouls.org/ascm/allsouls/static/index.html" target="_blank">All Souls</a> to book in for that event. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be doing some other talks round the country, leave a comment if you know where and when.</p>
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		<title>Packer &#8211; Not Guilty</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last month I posted something about Jim Packer and his proposed de-licensing by Bishop Ingham, I was a little ungracious to Ingham (not without reason)&#8230; but the recent response by Packer and others to Ingham has been both firm and gracious, it seems a good model for dealing with heretical Bishops, here&#8217;s an extract&#8230; &#8230;However, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last month I <a href="http://www.hughbourne.co.uk/2008/03/11/stand-with-packer/">posted something</a> about Jim Packer and his proposed de-licensing by Bishop Ingham, I was a little ungracious to Ingham (not without reason)&#8230; but the recent response by Packer and others to Ingham has been both firm and gracious, it seems a good model for dealing with heretical Bishops, here&#8217;s an extract&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;However, with deep reluctance and regret we have concluded that we cannot continue the Anglican ministry to which we were ordained under your jurisdiction. The Diocese, under your leadership, has departed from historic, orthodox Anglican teaching and practice. It has departed from what the Primates have unanimously recognized as the standard of teaching of the Anglican Communion. The Diocese is in a state of broken or impaired communion with the majority of Anglicans worldwide. Sadly, it appears the Anglican Church of Canada has now similarly departed from Anglican teaching and practice&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>They&#8217;re going to continue to be Anglicans, but get their licences and Bishoply (is that a word?) oversight from a guy in the Southern Cone called Donald Harvey. You can read the <a href="http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/index.php/2008/04/22/canadian-anglican-clergy-deny-charges/" target="_blank">full letter here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Stand with Packer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me ask a question&#8230; have you heard of Michael Ingham? I&#8217;m guessing probably about 40% at most of the people reading this will have. Second question (if you answered yes to the first one), before he started causing trouble by having gay weddings and such had you heard of Michael Ingham? We&#8217;re probably down [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me ask a question&#8230; have you heard of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ingham" target="_blank">Michael Ingham</a>? I&#8217;m guessing probably about 40% at most of the people reading this will have. Second question (if you answered yes to the first one), before he started causing trouble by having gay weddings and such had you heard of Michael Ingham? We&#8217;re probably down to 5% or less now&#8230;</p>
<p>Third question, for everyone&#8230; have you heard of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._I._Packer" target="_blank">Jim Packer</a>? I&#8217;m guessing we&#8217;re at 90% plus now&#8230; that&#8217;s because this man has actually contributed something positive to the Church. And it&#8217;s not going to be up at 90% because all the people who read this blog come from a similar theological persuasion (although that&#8217;s probably true), but I&#8217;ve met Anglicans, Baptists, Charismatics, non-Denominationalists, Emergents, Free Churchers, (can&#8217;t think of a G)&#8230; Liberals, Pentecostals&#8230; who&#8217;ve all heard of, and at the very least respect Packer, and more likely will speak of how his writings have been of great help to them.</p>
<p>You may or may not know that there&#8217;s some rumblings going on in the Anglican church, particularly with stuff going on in the USA and Canada&#8230; essentially it&#8217;s all about Liberal Bishops denying the authority of Scripture, and the recent outworking of that has been the appointment of practising homosexual Bishops, women Bishops and the blessing of gay marriages. Anyway, Packer and others thought it better to have some oversight (Bishop = overseer) from some Bishops who are actually Christians and actually believe the Bible&#8230; their Bishop (Michael Ingham) didn&#8217;t like that and wants to remove their licence to be a Vicar. <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/">Justin Taylor</a> gives a better <a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/03/j-i-packer-to-be-suspended-from.html" target="_blank">explanation here</a>.</p>
<p>Packer and David Short (another vicar facing his licence being removed) have put their thoughts into a DVD and on Youtube, you can <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/wallyjo40" target="_blank">see them here</a>&#8230; See this one below &#8211; Who&#8217;s leaving who?</p>
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<p align="left">Also, you can see some <a href="http://www.vancouver.anglican.ca/News/tabid/27/ctl/ViewArticle/ArticleId/625/mid/486/Default.aspx" target="_blank">videos made by Ingham</a>, these make me quite sad, Packer says it makes him &#8220;sick&#8221;. These videos show some fairly clueless supporters of the Diocese along with the biblically inept Bishop giving some answers&#8230; the first thing that makes me sad is the way he misinterprets then along with the audience laugh at <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Leviticus+20" title="English Standard Version Bible">Leviticus 20</a>.</p>
<p align="left">Second thing that is sad is that they&#8217;re greedy, they&#8217;re worried about loosing land and buildings, that seems more of a concern than repairing the schism.</p>
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