Adam & Eve or Adam & Steve?
Jan 30
Earlier this week my vicar, Phil Moon (also my boss) took part in a public debate with Clive Gardner, a local LGCM leader in Brighton. Interestingly despite Brighton being a ‘gay capital’ the LGCM is pretty small, but they initiated the idea of a public debate, the two speakers also aired on local radio earlier in the day.
Phil started off, taking us through what I think were 7 ‘gay’ passages in the Bible, explaining what they meant and building a case to show how the Bible condemns not only gay sex, but sex outside of God’s plan for it – heterosexual, monogamous marriage.
Now I could have guessed what Phil was going to say, so I was more intrigued to hear what Clive was going to say – but was disappointed. Here was the basic flow of his argument…
- I love Jesus and I love the Bible
- We can’t be sure what the Bible says in the 7 ‘gay’ passages
- Why would God be against stable, loving homosexual relationships?
These were not good arguments – the first aims to appeal to our emotions, the second is an argument from silence, well trying to silence what the Bible says, and the third is a pragmatic argument. What I wanted to hear from Clive, was a Biblical (some verses) case in support of homosexual relationships.
When pressed further on the Romans 1 passage and also on the nature of God, his relationship in Trinity and with the Church, the LGCM position of claiming to love the Bible and belief in its authority was sadly exposed.
At the end of the evening we said ‘the Grace’ together, a nice sentiment, but tragically I fear those from the LGCM aren’t actually Christians! I don’t say this to provoke, or to be controversial, or to deny the LGCM the things they claim to believe, but… if 1 Corinthians 6:9 refers to those in homosexual relationships, as I believe it does, then it also says that those who continue in that way of living will “not inherit the Kingdom of God”.
If you’re interested in listening to the full debate and the Q&A then you can download the audio.
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