It’s not often that I get annoyed when reading the EN newspaper (Evangelicals Now), because on the whole it’s pretty good, you know it’s sound, and usually very interesting… unlike the Church of England Newspaper, that gets me annoyed some times. But I got a bit annoyed when reading the most recent edition (April 2008), specifically Josh Moody’s ‘Letter from America’.
This piece is yet another “We like Mark Driscoll’s theology, but we don’t like his style” piece, of which you’ll find plenty across the web. It’s not that I have a problem with people who disagree with MD, it’s just that I find it sad that people insist on criticising a faithful gospel ministry, and for what gain? On top of that, this particular piece is about 2 years behind the times, essentially it is poorly researched.
The Internet Monk has some detailed thoughts about why people don’t like Mark Driscoll, worth reading if you’re a critic. For my part I’ve responded to the editor of EN to perhaps give a different perspective, doubt it will get published, but I have a blog, so here is my response published here…
Dear Sir,
Can I graciously suggest that Josh Moody is out of date, and perhaps out of touch when he writes about Mark Driscoll in the April edition of EN. Driscoll was given the dubious title of ‘The Cussing Pastor’ by Donald Miller in his book ‘Blue Like Jazz’, this was published 5 years ago. I’ve yet to hear Driscoll swear in a sermon, though his language in the past has certainly been more risqué, it is not what we would call swearing - ‘B.S.’ is of course just two letters! Since then Driscoll has I guess become more ‘mature’, he has publicly repented of many failures in his ministry, most recently when teaching on Humility (4th November 2007). As for the call for mentors, Driscoll counts John Piper and CJ Mahaney as his closest ministry mentors (2nd March 2008), not to mention the likes of Bruce Ware, Tim Keller and Wayne Grudem – of course Piper did once say ‘crap’ in a sermon! Moody here seems to be telling us about the Driscoll of several years ago.
There is much that could be said in response to Moody’s criticisms of Driscoll’s missiology of being ‘theologically conservative and culturally liberal’, but it would be unwise to debate the rights and wrongs of different forms of entertainment. The point here is that the proclamation of the gospel needs to be related to the context in to which it is preached. Paul, preaching to the Areopagus in Acts 17 gives a classic example of this gospel-contextualisation, this passage is key to Driscoll’s methodology and the name of his church (Mars Hill) is derived from it. Driscoll is preaching to young, liberal, post-modern, pagan Seattle-ites, people who listen to secular rock music, who watch R-rated films, who gamble, who drink, who get their teaching about sex from porn rather than the Bible - it is in to this culture that Driscoll preaches. While some call for a retreat from this kind of sinful culture, Driscoll and others are calling Christians, to engage with, to be a part of, and to understand the culture so that we can be missionaries within it. Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., writing in a recent book (Preaching the Cross) put it like this, “We cannot simply withdraw. That would be to deny our commission. But we cannot feel at home either. That would be to deny our identity.” Driscoll is equally clear in his teaching that Christians need to be distinctive and above reproach in all matters, his view is that Christians should “go as far into the culture without sinning as they possibly can”, in order to share Christ. I would challenge EN readers to consider reading Driscoll’s first book entitled ‘Radical Reformission’ and make an informed opinion, about Driscoll, and about how we can best preach Christ in our culture.
Yours Sincerely,
Hugh Bourne
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Moody is normally very perceptive but it felt like he was a good few years behind the times! Good on you for writing a letter though - perhaps I should do the same and they might publish one of ours…
I want to see The Briefing engage with Driscoll! I’m hoping they wouldn’t let us down…
Also, I take it your mobile number on Facebook is correct, given it’s the one I’ve got already. Come NWA, I’d like to make sure I can definitely get through to you. Mine’s also on Facebook if you don’t have it. (So yes, to answer the comment from a previous entry, you’ll see me there!)
You’re right the Briefing did a good job! Have you got a back catalogue? March 2007 (Shane Rogerson), there’s 4 pages on Radical Reformission and Confessions. It’s a lot better because it feels more up to date, it’s based on Driscoll’s books rather than on hearsay.
The review is positive and doesn’t come across as moralistic when talking about engaging with culture. There are two concerns given about the books, one of language and one of the emphasis on numbers. These are fair and constructively put forward, and not to detract from all the good stuff - Go Briefing!
Still got your number. Mine is the same. See you next week.
HB.
I agree with some of what you say. The whole tone of the article seems of the heresy-hunt nature. They should have really stated that Driss is a great preacher in many respects: Biblically saturated, well read, love for people, a missionary, good at repenting.
I also agree with the article being out of date. I’ve listened to all of the Religion Saves series and haven’t noticed any bad language, it seems he has repented of his old ways.
I do agree with the criticisms EN makes. Sometimes the way Driscoll speaks about Christ is very irreverant-he’s a man and he’s prone to error. I also believe that a church network hosting secular rock concerts is also a bad move. We are the church. We’re there to preach the gospel and not cater for the worlds sin. I love Driscolls theology and agree with the idea of contextualising the gospel but I think that sometimes he is not ‘blameless’ (1 Tim 3v2). Watching some R-rated movies is not wise for the church to be assiociated with. We have to meditate on what is praise worthy and what is of good report (Phil 4v8). Also I reckon Driss mentioning BS is wrong (Eph 5v12).
Saying this I really admire Driscoll for MANY things. I’ve been really blessed by his preaching and praise God for him. I also thank God for the counseling that he has recieved from Piper and CJ- I think more of this needs to be done (concerning irreverance towards Christ) as we all need to constantly grow .
Agree HB?
Alright Si Fi, been missing our banter…
Agreed, article could have been more positive, the March 2007 Briefing article is much better.
Admittedly I do occasionally wince at some things Driscoll says (usually in his earlier sermon series) and do sometimes think he’s trying to hard to be funny/culturally relevant.
I think I know what you mean about being irreverent, but usually it’s done when trying to explain the humanity of Christ… was Jesus a real bloke? Yes, how do you then explain the reality of his humanity to our culture?? Perhaps Driscoll goes too far in doing this…
SOME R-rated movies are not appropriate - agreed
Am I swearing if I say “The F word”, no, but you no the word I mean… I agree Driscoll probably shouldn’t say BS, but it’s not swearing… what if I say “Bull”? You know what the next word is… is there a line, how do we know…?
Secular rock concerts were used to build friendships, contacts either non-Christians… to open a door for the gospel. The principle is no different from using a secular film in a movie night to start a conversation about the gospel…?
Just playing devil’s advocate really (not that MD is the devil)… as you say we’re all works in progress, all being sanctified… lets not forget God is really blessing Driscoll’s ministry, see his latest blog - exciting stuff!
Letter sent! (Letter) (Feel free to delete this comment if the trackback works…)
Hugh
I found your blog the other week and have visited it often since then. I have enjoyed it very much! You and Simon seem like great guys! I could not agree with you more on the stuff you are posting about. The one on MD is right on! They had not been watching him the past 5 years or so.
Anyway, keep it up!
Your fellow brother in Jesus
Conor
Apparently my letter has been printed, but I don’t receive EN! You got a copy? Is yours there?
Nah I haven’t been home recently, I’ll see this weekend… that’s cool that they printed one… wonder if they got some letters supporting the article?? Will have to see… good work!
Just checked a friend’s copy - not even slightly edited as far as I can tell. Also, I’m down as coming from my home church - I can’t remember having written that as my Bristol church is what I now feel of as “my” church!