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Trinity in Unity

icon1 Posted by Hugh in Theological Ramblings on 6th Jan, 2008

Since Word Alive, Trinity has been a fresh revelation, and it’s been great to listen to those talks mentioned previously and to study a bit at church and to think more about the applications of Trinitarian theology in every sphere of life. Anyway, something that Mike Reeves referred to in his talk was the Athanasian creed, sounds quite random. But it just so happened I was sitting in the balcony at church today and during the bit of communion when all the distributors first receive I was getting a little restless (I know I should have been praying prayers of humble access, but anyway), so I saw in front of me a little book, the Book of Common Prayer, so thought I’d have a browse… what caught my eye in the contents was the “Creed of St. Athanasius”, basically it says that if you’re a Christian then a solid grasp of the Trinity is central to faith. I think it’s pretty awesome…

Whosoever will be saved,
before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith.
Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled,
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the Catholic Faith is this:
That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity,
neither confounding the Persons,
nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father,
another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost, is all one, the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.

The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate.
The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible,
and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible.
The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal.

And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal.
As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated,
but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.

So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty,
and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three
Almighties, but one Almighty.

So the Father is God, the Son is God,
and the Holy Ghost is God.
And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord,
and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords, but one Lord.

For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge
every Person by himself to be both God and Lord,
So are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say,
There be three Gods, or three Lords.
The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten.
The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son,
neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.
And in this Trinity none is afore, or after other;
none is greater, or less than another; But the whole three Persons
are co-eternal together and co-equal.
So that in all things, as is aforesaid,
the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
He therefore that will be saved is must think thus of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also
believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess,
that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man;
God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds;
and Man of the substance of his Mother, born in the world;
Perfect God and perfect Man,
of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the
Father, as touching his manhood; Who, although he be God and Man,
yet he is not two, but one Christ;
One, not by conversion of the Godhead
into flesh but by taking of the Manhood into God;
One altogether; not by confusion of Substance,
but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul
and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ;
Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell,
rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, he sitteth at the right hand of the Father,
God Almighty, from whence he will come
to judge the quick and the dead.
At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies
and shall give account for their own works.
And they that have done good shall go into life
everlasting; and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully,
he cannot be saved.

Source: Anglicans Online

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4 Responses

  1. avatar Anthony Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    “He therefore that will be saved is must think thus of the Trinity.”

    I’ve always been uncomfortable with this bit, as it makes it sound as though you must know and understand the Athanasian creed in order to be saved.

    Or maybe his Bible had this bit in:

    “‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ And they said, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved - but let me explain to you the doctrine of the trinity first of all, for you need to understand that in order to be saved’” (Acts 16:30, Much Augmented Version)

    Or maybe he means if you actively deny aspects of the Athanasian creed you cannot be saved, but I’m not sure the Bible says that either…

    E.g., “For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge
    every Person by himself to be both God and Lord” - does this mean that (hypothetically speaking) if there was only one Person existing by himself and the others didn’t exist, there would still be God? Where does the Bible say that? How does this fit with what Mike Reeves says: “God is the Father, Son and Spirit loving each other”, which seems to imply that none of the persons can “be … God” “by himself”?

    And if I have doubts about this bit, or the talk of “Substance” or the et filioque bit, will I (with Mike Reeves) without doubt perish everlastingly?

  2. avatar dave Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    My guess is the emphasis is on ‘thus’ as opposed to all the things the creed is refuting and denying. Not that thinking saves anyone (see Piper on Andrew Fuller on Sandemanianism) but that in some sense wrong thinking can absolutely condemn us.

  3. avatar Hugh Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    I suppose it is ‘necessary’ for salvation (I add inverted commas to say that salvation is entirely a gift) to have a right view of who God is…

    Which God do we worship? There are many gods, but the Tri-unity of God is unique, it tells us something distinct about the true God of the Bible.

    Who is the Jesus in whom we trust? Some knowledge of the divinity yet humanity of Jesus is surely essential to understand what salvation is, to understand who Jesus is and why we can trust him.

    Yeh, I think it’s just about knowing the God whom we trust and worship…?

  4. avatar Anthony Says:
    January 8th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Hugh - I think you’re right.

    But my personal hunch at the moment is that the Athanasian Creed goes way beyond Scripture in terms of how much and what we need to know about God in order to be saved.

    But I realise that I’m going against most of Christendom, so I hunch with some trepidation…

    Suppose it’s analogous to CUs requiring a simple declaration of faith as evidence that someone is saved, rather than demanding that all CU members must sign up to the doctrinal basis?

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